Saturday, October 4, 2014

The Name Problem

I think I just had a name epiphany. Names are a special POS in Ceqli, behaving like pronouns, so it's a good idea for them to have their own phonemic shape. For some time now, the rule has been that you can convert a morpheme to a name with the suffix -zo.

Jan - know, to know
Janzo - John

And to make names more compact, I decided to allow the sort-of suffix -t to do the same thing:

Janzo = Jant

Bad idea.  For one thing, it messes the phonetics up, requiring a big pause after the -t so as not to blend with any following sounds. For another, it doesn't fit well after q or m, and has to be come -et in such situations, making everything that much more complicated.


The -zo ending works just fine, and can also accommodate long names with the be- reversal particle trick, thus.

Da bekyam bezo Franklin Delano Rozevelt zo.

Let's say that -zo, in most cases, can be replaced with -z.

Jan - to know
Janzo - John
Janz - John

All that is needed now is a rule that in the morpheme shape nCnF (one or more leading phonemes followed by one or more following phonemes), Z cannot be followed by another C. That means one of my favorite words, zban, has to be dropped. There will be no zb, zd, or zg combos.  That means when you come to a -z, and the next sound is not a following phoneme, you have the end of a word with -z, and that word is a name.

This also has the upside of resembling the Loglan use of -s in the same way, and also the English tendency to make nicknames from sort of a pseudo-plural, like "pickles" or "freckles." I figure that choosing between Janzo and Janz will be a matter of usage.

To replace zban, I propose kel, from Gaelic.  Kel = spouse, keli = wife, kelo = husband.

Friday, April 18, 2014


I'm trying to decide how to handle the elements of the periodic table. Should they have a characteristic ending? It would be systematic to do it that way, but there are elements, like gold, that would be sort of distorted that way.  How about selecting a word that means "element," like "jen" (from the English ending in oxygen, etc., and then making compounds? As things stand, kin, from Japanese, means "gold". So maybe kinjen would mean "gold as an element." But many elements, if they're derived from other Ceqli words would have to be compounds. I want to preserve as far as possible the similarity of the symbols to the words, so I figure "helium" would be helijen, rather than sunjen, and as yet heli has no meaning in Ceqli. And I think that's okay.  And in Ceqli, "California" is kalifornet (names have to end in -t) but it would drop the -t to make the element. And since it's not really all that useful to have the element name resemble the place name, I'm inclined to want to make it resemble its symbol, Cf, instead, and call it californjen

So unless I'm talked out of it, I'm going to go with making the element names first of all suggest the symbols, unless the symbols don't begin with a cwazim, and in those cases I'll either put an h- in front, as in heynsteynjen, or just use a form, like kinjen, borrowed directly from one language or another. I was going to follow the pattern of German, and call hydrogen panijen,  but I think it's more important to follow the symbol, so it will be hidrojen.

Suggestions welcome.

Tuesday, April 15, 2014

Saturday, April 12, 2014

Names Reworked

I believe I have the name problem solved. All names to end in -t. Plus a logical way to show what they are names of without overcomplicating things. Take a look HERE.
Comments and suggestions welcome.

Sunday, April 6, 2014


A quick thought about names.  Currently, Ceqli names have the form of a Ceqli morpheme or compound, plus the suffix -zo. This gives clarity, but it makes all names one extra syllable long. Now, the Loglan rule was that all names end in a consonant followed by a pause, and that kept names short. I'm beginning to wonder about that possibility. As of now, before the -zo, all Ceqli names have a falozim —a vowel, semivowel, nasal, or R or L. How about this rule:

All Ceqli names end in -t plus a pause, except when the preceding letter is q, in which case they end with -k, or when it's m, in which case the ending is -p.

We'd have names like:

Tomp Jefersont
Heybrahamp Hlinkont

Or I could make it always -t, and when the preceding letter is q or m, make it -at.  Those above would be

An advantage to this system, either with t, k, p, or with t, -at, would be that a pause afterwards wouldn't be so crucial, as it's natural for an English speaker, at least, to make a clear disjuncture.  I mean

Jant sa
doesn't sound much like
Jan tsa
at all because the latter is a pretty clear affricate, and the former has little tendency to become one.

All that would work fine with people's names, but it gets trickier with, say, names of things.  Say:

Japant - Japan

But what about Japanese language, Japanese person, etc? Is it ambiguous or problematical to say:

Da Japantjin.  He is Japanese.
Da Japantbol. It is Japanese language.
Da Japanthaym. It is Japan.
Da Japant sa komxo. It is Japan's (Japanese) food.

With those three endings it isn't, because of course a word can't begin or end with tj, tb, or th, so the morphology still self-segregates. And the sa seems to work okay when I pronounce it.  That is, I clearly distinguish

Japant sa
Japan tsa

At this point, I'm inclined to go with -t, -p, -k.

For foreign names that remain in foreign form, like mine, Rex May, which doesn't fit Ceqli phonology at all, I can use the "article" ta, and to avoid ambiguity, close it with beta:

Go bekyam ta Rex May beta. My name is Rex May. I could also Ceqli-fy it thus:

Sreksat Smeyt

or flat-out translate it, as it means "King fifth-month," as:

Kiqot Fayzemxart

Or, taking "may" as the verb meaning having permission, which is "kuna" from Swedish:

Kiqot Kunat

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