Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Dictionary questions

Gleki Arxokuna just pointed out to me that I wasn't being specific enough in the definitions I've been writing, so I've reverted to the old Loglan XYZ method.  Take a look at:  http://ceqli.pbworks.com/w/page/42067674/Ceqli-Glossary  I've revised up through banyo-tawl.  Now, my question is, am I overdoing it?  Does the predicate really need a second argument?  I have:
banyo-tawlbath towel, X is a bath towel of person Y
And I'm thinking that including the Y argument is too arbitrary.  I notice that in the latest Loglan glossary from the Loglan site has a lot of nouns in the form:
bathroom,
   bancykru (1n) <bath room>[B-] B is a bathroom
So take a look at what I've revised so far, and let me know what you think.  Mimimal arguments or not?  I'm inclined to go with dropping the Y arguments in most of them.  Answer in the comments, or email me at rmay@mac.com.

Tuesday, March 12, 2013

Glossary progress

I've revised the glossary thru B.  It's Ceqli-English, but you can use search to look up by English.  It's at http://ceqli.pbworks.com/w/page/42067674/Ceqli-Glossary   Comments, corrections, criticisms, etc., welcome. Email me at rmay@mac.com

Monday, March 11, 2013

Working on the Glossary

I'm currently revising the glossary.  I'll post here when I'm done and it's up. The current one is very limited and it's HERE.

Tuesday, March 6, 2012

More on SA


As for sa, it has as its basic function keeping two gravor from combining into a compound,
but it can also function, indirectly, as a sort of possessive particle.

Go ten sa dom.  The I-have house, or, the house that I have, or my house.

This can be abbreviated to.

Go sa dom.  My house.

This also works with any other pronoun, name, or noun:

Janzo ten sa dom > Janzo sa dom
To xyen ten sa dom > To xyen sa dom

So sa is not a possessive particle technically, but can function as though it were.
As for pronunciation, sa is meant to be unstressed.  I've been in the habit of writing
it without a space, gosa, to ensure that, but I've been talked out of it, for the sake
of consistency, so sa should always have a space before it.

Sunday, March 4, 2012

Cause and Because and Therefore, etc.

I currently have zay to mean "cause," in the Esperanto "igi" sense.  Post HERE.  Definitely a verbish sort of word, derived loosely from the English -ize ending. And now I'm thinking of the word "because," and what it should be in Ceqli.  Seems like a related meaning, doesn't it?  Not a verb at all, though, but more of a conjunction, or maybe a preposition.  If it's a conjunction, it really should have the pyuvor CV shape. Right now, with zay, you can say:

Ke go komvol beke zay ke go kom beke.

That's in full logical Ceqli, the kind a computer can understand. That is:

The-fact-that I'm hungry causes the-fact-that I eat.  Or,
Because I'm hungry, I eat.

The 'ke' begins a phrase, the 'beke' ends it.  So the phrases can be arguments of the 'zay.'

You can also use the reversal particle 'be' to reverse the zay:

Ke go kom beke bezay ke go komvol beke.

The-fact-that I eat is-caused-by the-fact-that I'm hungry.

And in terse Ceqli, the kind you use when you talk to people instead of robots, you have:

Go komvol, zay go kom.

I'm hungry, so I eat.

Go kom, bezay go komvol.

I eat because I'm hungry.

That works, but I find the word zay a little clunky.  That is, when you're asking the why questions, it gets a little awkward.

Ka zay zi kom?  Why do you eat?  What causes you to eat?

You can also say it this way:

Zi kom bezay ka?  You eat because of what?

Or, making a compound word:

Kabezay zi kom?  Why do you eat?

That last feels clunky.  So I'm thinking of abandoning zay, because reversing it with the spelling method to get zya leaves you with a sound combination that's hard to say and likely to turn into /Za/ or something, and using this combo instead:

kaw - to cause, kwa to be caused by

Then you could say:

Kakwa zi kom?  Why do you eat?

Go kom kwa go komvol.  I eat because I'm hungry.

Then, of course, you can have this conversation.

Bum on street:  Go komvol.  I'm hungry.

Seriously, that would give me the word for because and the word for so, or therefore.

You:  Kakaw?   So what?

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Monday, September 26, 2011

Pronunciation

I just updated the section on alphabet and pronunciation to deal with the special problems of proper name borrowings and the actual names of letters that aren't cwazim.  Check it out HERE.

Tuesday, September 20, 2011

The Imperative

The Ceqli imperative can be formed in various ways.  You can invite, order, insist, beg, etc.  It's all explained in Lesson 8.  Check it out HERE.