I'm definitely eliminating c= /tS/ No way it isn't awkward. I can use either x or c for /S/. If I use c, as do Loglan and Lojban, I'll have x for use in modifying other letters to make foreign sounds. tx could be /T/ for example. The 26 letters just aren't enough to have special characters for both /dZ/ and /tS/. Depending on which way I go, the language will be either Txeqli or Tceqli. Your input is appreciated.
And, don't read anything much into the illustrations I use here. I pick them more or less at random for amusement purposes.
The auxilary language Ceqli, also known as a conlang or auxlang. Like Esperanto, it aims to be a general second language for everybody to learn and communicate. It has grammar features and vocabulary from many languages
Thursday, May 11, 2017
Monday, May 8, 2017
Asymmetry in the Alphabet
Ceqli has an alphabetical assymetry:
x = /S/
and
c=/tS/
but
j= /Z/
and
dj= /dZ/
Awkward. I want to eliminate c, reserving it for something else, and spell
/tS/ as tx, to match dj.
If I don't hear any good reasons not, I'll revise the material to reflect this soon. Don't let this shock you. Comment here, or on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/The-Ceqli-Language-249301371750083/
x = /S/
and
c=/tS/
but
j= /Z/
and
dj= /dZ/
Awkward. I want to eliminate c, reserving it for something else, and spell
/tS/ as tx, to match dj.
If I don't hear any good reasons not, I'll revise the material to reflect this soon. Don't let this shock you. Comment here, or on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/The-Ceqli-Language-249301371750083/
Saturday, October 4, 2014
The Name Problem
I think I just had a name epiphany. Names are a special POS in Ceqli, behaving like pronouns, so it's a good idea for them to have their own phonemic shape. For some time now, the rule has been that you can convert a morpheme to a name with the suffix -zo.
Jan - know, to know
Janzo - John
And to make names more compact, I decided to allow the sort-of suffix -t to do the same thing:
Janzo = Jant
Bad idea. For one thing, it messes the phonetics up, requiring a big pause after the -t so as not to blend with any following sounds. For another, it doesn't fit well after q or m, and has to be come -et in such situations, making everything that much more complicated.
Simplifed:
The -zo ending works just fine, and can also accommodate long names with the be- reversal particle trick, thus.
Da bekyam bezo Franklin Delano Rozevelt zo.
Let's say that -zo, in most cases, can be replaced with -z.
Jan - to know
Janzo - John
Janz - John
All that is needed now is a rule that in the morpheme shape nCnF (one or more leading phonemes followed by one or more following phonemes), Z cannot be followed by another C. That means one of my favorite words, zban, has to be dropped. There will be no zb, zd, or zg combos. That means when you come to a -z, and the next sound is not a following phoneme, you have the end of a word with -z, and that word is a name.
This also has the upside of resembling the Loglan use of -s in the same way, and also the English tendency to make nicknames from sort of a pseudo-plural, like "pickles" or "freckles." I figure that choosing between Janzo and Janz will be a matter of usage.
To replace zban, I propose kel, from Gaelic. Kel = spouse, keli = wife, kelo = husband.
Jan - know, to know
Janzo - John
And to make names more compact, I decided to allow the sort-of suffix -t to do the same thing:
Janzo = Jant
Bad idea. For one thing, it messes the phonetics up, requiring a big pause after the -t so as not to blend with any following sounds. For another, it doesn't fit well after q or m, and has to be come -et in such situations, making everything that much more complicated.
Simplifed:
The -zo ending works just fine, and can also accommodate long names with the be- reversal particle trick, thus.
Da bekyam bezo Franklin Delano Rozevelt zo.
Let's say that -zo, in most cases, can be replaced with -z.
Jan - to know
Janzo - John
Janz - John
All that is needed now is a rule that in the morpheme shape nCnF (one or more leading phonemes followed by one or more following phonemes), Z cannot be followed by another C. That means one of my favorite words, zban, has to be dropped. There will be no zb, zd, or zg combos. That means when you come to a -z, and the next sound is not a following phoneme, you have the end of a word with -z, and that word is a name.
This also has the upside of resembling the Loglan use of -s in the same way, and also the English tendency to make nicknames from sort of a pseudo-plural, like "pickles" or "freckles." I figure that choosing between Janzo and Janz will be a matter of usage.
To replace zban, I propose kel, from Gaelic. Kel = spouse, keli = wife, kelo = husband.
Friday, April 18, 2014
Elements
I'm trying to decide how to handle the elements of the periodic table. Should they have a characteristic ending? It would be systematic to do it that way, but there are elements, like gold, that would be sort of distorted that way. How about selecting a word that means "element," like "jen" (from the English ending in oxygen, etc., and then making compounds? As things stand, kin, from Japanese, means "gold". So maybe kinjen would mean "gold as an element." But many elements, if they're derived from other Ceqli words would have to be compounds. I want to preserve as far as possible the similarity of the symbols to the words, so I figure "helium" would be helijen, rather than sunjen, and as yet heli has no meaning in Ceqli. And I think that's okay. And in Ceqli, "California" is kalifornet (names have to end in -t) but it would drop the -t to make the element. And since it's not really all that useful to have the element name resemble the place name, I'm inclined to want to make it resemble its symbol, Cf, instead, and call it californjen.
So unless I'm talked out of it, I'm going to go with making the element names first of all suggest the symbols, unless the symbols don't begin with a cwazim, and in those cases I'll either put an h- in front, as in heynsteynjen, or just use a form, like kinjen, borrowed directly from one language or another. I was going to follow the pattern of German, and call hydrogen panijen, but I think it's more important to follow the symbol, so it will be hidrojen.
Suggestions welcome.
So unless I'm talked out of it, I'm going to go with making the element names first of all suggest the symbols, unless the symbols don't begin with a cwazim, and in those cases I'll either put an h- in front, as in heynsteynjen, or just use a form, like kinjen, borrowed directly from one language or another. I was going to follow the pattern of German, and call hydrogen panijen, but I think it's more important to follow the symbol, so it will be hidrojen.
Suggestions welcome.
Tuesday, April 15, 2014
Sunday, April 13, 2014
Lesson 10 - Jin, Jini, jino, pe, ba, xi, jo
Lesson 10 is up HERE. It clarifies some grammar, and differences between Ceqli and Loglan.
Saturday, April 12, 2014
Names Reworked
I believe I have the name problem solved. All names to end in -t. Plus a logical way to show what they are names of without overcomplicating things. Take a look HERE.Comments and suggestions welcome.
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